How to create keyboard splits with Komplete Kontrol MK2 keyboards? [en-us]

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    Matthias (編集済み )

    Thank you for using the community.

    With the latest update - Komplete Kontrol 2.0.2 (downloadable via Native Access) - it is now possible to create keyboard splits. The following GIF shows the Komplete Kontrol GUI after the update to Komplete Kontrol 2.0.2:

    If you are using a Komplete Kontrol MK1 keyboard, you can create keyboard splits with the help of Controller Editor:


     

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    Matthias (編集済み )

    Thank you for using the community.

    Please note: For MK2 keyboards, it is now possible to create keysplits as well! For more information, please view the official comment on top of the page.

     

     

    Older post that is obsolete now: (Unfortunately it is not possible to create keyboard splits on a Komplete Kontrol MK2 keyboard at the moment.

    As the following article - https://support.native-instruments.com/hc/en-us/articles/115005165985-I-Cannot-Edit-MIDI-Assignments-for-my-KOMPLETE-KONTROL-MK2-Keyboard-in-Controller-Editor - states on the bottom of the page:

    "Currently it is not possible to edit commands for the KOMPLETE KONTROL keyboard's keybed.")

     

     

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    Chris Martin

    Ya, that's the whole reason I have two of these. One is an MK2. I will be returning that one cause I can't do this one function.

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    Justo Garbajosa

    Please Add to the Wish llist of Komplete Kontrol Software Access issues Feedback

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    Matthias

    Thank you for the feature request which is documented already. Hopefully, your feature request will be taken into account in the upcoming updates.

    BTW, we have an dedicated area for feature requests in our forum:

    https://www.native-instruments.com/forum/threads/improvements-for-next-release-wish-list-for-feature-requests.228091/

     

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    Michael Bruce

    wow this just adds to the already long list of things I'm super upset about. I just bought this thing a few days ago thinking it would be similar and just an upgrade from the previous version...

     

    1) firmware refuses to update

    2) no power supply in the box

    3) unnecessary increase in footprint ( I made a custom roll out for first generation, MKII doesn't fit)

    4) worst placement of a power button ever 

    5) now this and who knows what I haven't discovered yet

     

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    Christian Freiburghaus

    Version 2.0. Still didn't find keyboard splits!!!!! Really still not possible????

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    Elias K.

    I have two Problems:

    1. Everytime when I Close KK my templates are lost.

    2. When I Power off my Keyboard, the Settings arent saved, so I have to start KK again and make a new template.

    Do I have to start KK, everytime when I want a Keyboard split or to Change the Color of the colorguide? 

     

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    Christian Freiburghaus

    This works for me. Run the software "as administrator". Maybe this helps.

     

    Christian

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    Elias K.

    YESS, that works.

    Thanks:)

     

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    Mike OConnor

    Hooray!  Thanks to the NI team for this one.  A huge help.

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    Daniel Sunny Branting

    Maybe a dumb question.

    I have split my s61 MKII in the Komplete Kontrol 2.0.2. (See pic)

    But I wonder if it´s now it´s possible to use two different sounds at once (on in the two split-areas)?

    Please link to a tutorial or gif/pic.

     

    Thanks!

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    Peter Garry

    Hello, I would like to know the answer to the above question as well.

    Peter

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    Mike OConnor (編集済み )

    Take a look at the animated GIF that Matthias posted above.  Note that the MIDI-channel is set to a different value for each split region in that example. 

    An instrument that listens to *all* channels coming from the MIDI generator (in this case the KK keyboard) will continue to play the complete range of notes but instruments that "listen" to the keyboard on one of those channels will only play when notes come from that region.

    This MIDI-generator/channel "listening" choice can be made in lots of places -- the (hardware or software) instrument or the DAW track that contains the (hardware or software) instrument, for example. 

    Multiple instruments can simultaneously listen to a MIDI-generator/channel at the same time, thus two different instruments (or more) could be listening to each channel.  In another example, some instruments could be listening to all channels while others are listening to just one of the three. 

    Does that help?  This is pretty basic MIDI stuff and might be considered off-topic, which may be why nobody answered the first time around.  A search on "assign instruments to midi channel" might be a good starting point for more detail.

     

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    Peter Garry

    Thanks Mike

    Where I was going wrong was in two respects.

    First, the main issue, I was setting the DAW MIDI tracks to the two MIDI channels matching the keyboard split channels, but I was not setting the instruments to those same channels (well, channel 1 was set automatically but I had to set one of the instruments to channel 2 to make the channel 2 side of the split sound).  So this may be obvious to some but not only do you have to set the DAW track to the right MIDI channel but also the instrument that is on that track needs to be set to the same MIDI channel.

    Second, once I got thisworking I was getting cut-outs and crackling when playing, especially when playing both sides of the split. I was using Komplete Kontrol instances in the DAW to host the instruments.  So I thought maybe this was because I had Komplete Kontrol standalone open. I though that that was essential to keep the split working.  So I tried two instances of Kontakt instead, and that was pretty good but I still got some crackles.  Finally I closed the standalone Komplete Kontrol and contrary to my expectation the split and light guide remained, and the crackling stopped, so all good.

    I then just as an experiment tried using two instances of Komplete Kontrol in the DAW, but as soon as I loaded one instance I lost the light guide and split on the keyboard.

    So, additional lesson.  You can't use a keyboard split with even one instance of Komplete Kontrol running in your DAW, even with Komplete Kontrol standalone closed.

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    Christian Freiburghaus

    Peter,I use Ableton live. i can load a lot of instances of komplete kontrol in the daw and do keyboard splits. to program splits use komplete kontrol in stand alone mode and run it as administrator. then splits are stored permanently in the keyboard.

    what bothers me is that you cannot define the behaviour of the pedals for the different midi channels. midi masterkeyboard functionality is still not implemented consequently....

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    Mike OConnor

    Peter, could you tell us a little more about your configuration?  It would be helpful to know what DAW you're running.  I'm with Christian -- once defined, splits are stored in the keyboard.  To shorten this (fairly off-topic) thread a bit, I'm going to take a flyer and guess that you're using Live, which requires an additional installation step to enable the keyboard to function correctly across multiple tracks.  Have a look at this support article and note that in addition to the installation stuff, you also need to instantiate the plugin as an instrument rack (Instruments/Instrument Rack/Komplete Kontrol).  If you're loading Komplete Kontrol as a plain old VST plugin, multiple tracks of KK will not work properly.  Here's the link:

    https://support.native-instruments.com/hc/en-us/articles/209557689-Setting-Up-Ableton-Live-for-KOMPLETE-KONTROL

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    Ilmari Hakkola

     

    Ok, i was just going to write how i can't make the keyb splits to work but now managed to do it (in Cubase 9.5)

    The problem: setting two instrument channels to midi channel 1 and midi channel 2 (as the keyboard splits were set up) and also setting the loaded Kontakt instruments to corresponding channels 1 & 2, when played the instruments didn't respect the set keyboard splits but played throughout the keyboard range. 

    Solution: Solved this by setting the Instrument channel midi to "any", still having the loaded Kontakt instruments set to midi ch 1 & 2 - after this, the splits worked as intended. 

     

     

     

     

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    C Coop

    Am I right in thinking the split functionality is still very limited?

    Seeing as the use of kontrol is to go above and beyond a normal midi controller in browsing patches and mapping controls, for a live performance rig it would seem logical not only to create splits with midi channels, but for the kontrol software itself to support at least one separate instrument + fx chain per zone. These should be browsable from the kontrol hardware and have parameters auto mapped. It should be possible to save presets which are themselves either layers or splits created from multiple underlying synths, and nest presets within presets (e.g. I want my left zone to be a layer of 2 synths I saved as a preset previously).

    Having demo'd the hardware I love the way you can browse through patches for a single zone/layer but without the ability to do so for multiple zones/layers it's sadly not worth the upgrade from a bog standard midi keyboard. Drop me a line when this changes!

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